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13 attorneys general sue on health care bill

PostPosted by verdilak » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:19 pm

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/03/24/13_attorneys_general_sue_on_health_care_bill/ wrote:TALLAHASSEE — Attorneys general from 13 states sued the federal government yesterday, arguing the landmark health care overhaul is unconstitutional just seven minutes after President Obama signed it into law.

The lawsuit was filed in Pensacola after the Democratic president signed the 10-year, $938 billion bill the House passed Sunday night.

“The Constitution nowhere authorizes the United States to mandate, either directly or under threat of penalty, that all citizens and legal residents have qualifying health care coverage,’’ the lawsuit says.

Legal specialists say it has little chance of succeeding because, under the Constitution, federal laws trump state laws.

Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum is taking the lead, joined by attorneys general from South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Michigan, Utah, Pennsylvania, Alabama, South Dakota, Idaho, Washington, Colorado, and Louisiana. All are Republicans except James “Buddy’’ Caldwell of Louisiana, a Democrat.

Some states are considering separate lawsuits — Virginia filed one yesterday — and still others may join the multistate suit.

On March 8, The Boston Globe reported on these efforts to derail a national health care law.

McCollum, who is running for governor, argues the bill will cause “substantial harm and financial burden’’ to the states.

The lawsuit contends that the bill violates the 10th Amendment, which says the federal government has no authority beyond the powers granted to it under the Constitution, by forcing the states to carry out its provisions but not reimbursing them for the costs.

The lawsuit also says the states cannot afford the new law. Using Florida as an example, the lawsuit says the overhaul will add almost 1.3 million people to the state’s Medicaid rolls and cost the state an additional $150 million in 2014, growing to $1 billion a year by 2019.

“A legal challenge by the states appears to be the only hope of protecting the American people from this unprecedented attack on our system of government,’’ said Attorney General Henry McMaster of South Carolina, who is also running for governor.

But Lawrence Friedman, a professor who teaches constitutional law at the New England School of Law in Boston, said before the suit was filed that it has little chance of success. He said he cannot imagine a scenario in which a judge would stop implementation of the health care bill.

Still, McCollum said he expects the US Supreme Court will eventually decide if the overhaul is constitutional. “This is not lawful,’’ he said. “It may have passed Congress, but there are three branches of government.’’

Kennedy’s family pays respects on health care
Comprehensive health care reform, Edward M. Kennedy said in an oft-cited remark, was “the cause of my life.’’ As remembrances of his life and legacy permeated the celebration at the White House bill-signing ceremony yesterday, a more somber reflection took place across the Potomac River.

The white cross at Kennedy’s grave in Arlington National Cemetery was a popular stopping point for supporters and health care advocates, despite gusty winds and drizzling rain. Kennedy pushed for universal health care coverage since the early 1970s and led the fight on such steps as expanding coverage for children. He died in August.

Vicki Kennedy, his widow, said she spent hours at the grave Sunday before the House passed the landmark legislation. According to The Washington Post, his son, Representative Patrick J. Kennedy of Rhode Island, left a handwritten note Monday that read, “Dad, the unfinished business is done.’’


So in the interests of more political grandstanding, these guys are going to waste more of their state's money, while complaining about financial burdens.

The stupid, it burns.

I hope the people realize the farce this is and get rid of the bastards for wasting their money like this. Worried about not being able to pay for healthcare? Yeah, well, you might be right if you let the people YOU voted for waste money like this.
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Re: 13 attorneys general sue on health care bill

PostPosted by Zamion » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:23 am

or the fact the requiring people to purchase something is kinda aginst the constitution , is this the exact right forum? (the sueing that is) possibly not, but theres no free opt out button if you dont want o pay. Now if a 19 year old guy or girl feels they can go with out, they should be allowed to. This prevents free choice and it also mandates the owner ship of a service, while i personaly think reform does need to happen i dont think it should be a mandatory thing you have to pick up, also its so broad and all emcompassing it should have to be ratified by the states , like an admendment, if 1/2 or better of the states dont ratifie it then it shouldnt aply. or only aply to the states that ratifie it.
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Re: 13 attorneys general sue on health care bill

PostPosted by verdilak » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:00 am

What about car insurance for driving? Well, that one not so much because if you dont drive you dont have to pay, but what if I do want to drive and not pay? I've never had to use my insurance, not once, but I still have to pay for it. Or about taxes? I have to pay in for taxes. There are other things like that that we have to pay.

If a 19 year old doesnt want to have insurance, well, under this insurance reform, she really doesn't have to worry about that until she is 27, because all kids 26 and younger can stay under their parent's as a group family plan.

And if she doesn't want to be under her parent's or one of her own, AND if she is making enough money to not get the insurance free from the government, the fine is only 1% total income.

And no, I don't agree with you about the states thing either, because if, let's say, Nevada is all good with the health insurance reform, but Cali isn't, then what happens if you get injured while you are in Cali? They won't take your insurance that is provided by Nevada I would assume, so you would have to pay out of pocket. And to be honest, even if it was on a state by state basis, the poor outnumber the wealthy, it would come to same end result, just controlled by the state governments, who would be asking the federal government for loans and subsidies to pay for it anyways.
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Re: 13 attorneys general sue on health care bill

PostPosted by Zamion » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:41 am

verdilak wrote:What about car insurance for driving? Well, that one not so much because if you dont drive you dont have to pay, but what if I do want to drive and not pay? I've never had to use my insurance, not once, but I still have to pay for it. Or about taxes? I have to pay in for taxes. There are other things like that that we have to pay.

If a 19 year old doesnt want to have insurance, well, under this insurance reform, she really doesn't have to worry about that until she is 27, because all kids 26 and younger can stay under their parent's as a group family plan.

And if she doesn't want to be under her parent's or one of her own, AND if she is making enough money to not get the insurance free from the government, the fine is only 1% total income.

And no, I don't agree with you about the states thing either, because if, let's say, Nevada is all good with the health insurance reform, but Cali isn't, then what happens if you get injured while you are in Cali? They won't take your insurance that is provided by Nevada I would assume, so you would have to pay out of pocket. And to be honest, even if it was on a state by state basis, the poor outnumber the wealthy, it would come to same end result, just controlled by the state governments, who would be asking the federal government for loans and subsidies to pay for it anyways.


the car insuernce argument you settled for me...you dont have to drive.
If your parents and you dont get along and they boot you off , you got to buy your own. the fines like 2700, thats a bit more than 1% i think , at least for the cut off of being free. what is it 35k a year and its free or is it less....anyhow insurence cant decline you for an emergency out of state as it is , they can decline you for a major operation if you can come home to get it. but if i had cali insurence i could use it in nevada for an emergency, just not cuase my tummy hurts. if it was state by state.
and as for being ratified sense the states are paying most of the burden for the free then i say 2/3 of the states should get a chance to say yea or nea.....

and notice how you have to buy the insurence, the insurence companys are just going to reep a whirl wind of medice and start cutting back claiming (fasley ) that they arent able to pay for your meds cuase theres a cheaper yet less sucsessfull option. and you knwo they will....2 years from now there going to be crying to us that there broke and all the money will still be there just hidden in some little tax sceme they have prearranged im sure.
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Re: 13 attorneys general sue on health care bill

PostPosted by verdilak » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:37 am

There are a number of countries that have national health care and they are not broke.
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Re: 13 attorneys general sue on health care bill

PostPosted by Zamion » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:55 pm

thoose countries use actual socialized healthcare......this is a mandate to buy healthcare from a private corporation.
if your going to do a socialist move like force everyone to have healthcare you have to go all or nothing and make it a goverment run plan, and then not force me to give bluecross blue shield my money.
they are deffintly not there to help me as much as they are their share holders (wich the congress and senate , a large %, im sure own stock in these companies.)
its like when we went to vietnam, the gunships and alot of the weapons were purchased from a company that was owned at least partly by the presidents mother, funny how there were better chopper gunship designs avaible but we signed a contract then bought a shit ton of them , then declared police action(war). Thae same is true for medicne, think about it if they own a controling share in an insuerence company and now i have to buy from them, doesnt that seem like a major conflict of interest?
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